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energy is going to involve lots of investment, lots of jobs, lots of growth. what kind of growth? and in the long term there may be this question of. >> caller: an economy, can capitalism grow infin nightly? more immediately we have this subset of that question which is can we keep burning fossil fuels and the answer is no. >> and there's a nonenvironmental aspect to this. >> yeah. there are a lot of things that are wrong with gross domestic product. bobby kennedy talked about it in 1968 in which i keep going back and finding these kennedy quotes. it says, if we judge the united states of america by that, it counts air pollution and cigarette advertising and ambulances to clear away our highways of carnage yet the gross national product does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of education or joy of their play. in short, it measures everything except that which makes life worthwhile. it can tell us everything about america except why we are proud that we are americans. >> great quote from bobby kennedy. we're going to keep talking about growth, its limits, and h
to gun control and there's been talk on energy legislation. but it looks like raising the debt ceiling is not part of the deal. that is four major political fights that the president has on his hands. what is going to get lost the longer this drags on? >> i think most of those things. look, if this drags on into the new year, this is going to be the focus up until the inauguration. and as you mentioned, not only the debt ceiling but also come march, you will have to figure out how to extend government spending for the rest of the fiscal year. and they don't, the government would shut down. there are major fiscal fights that need to be resolved beyond the immediate fiscal cliff. we are not even talking about the major policies that you are talking about. immigration reform and gun control legislation, those are things that can fall by the wayside if we are consumed by the fiscal talks which seems likely. >> it seems they crawl from one crisis to the next. thank you, sir, we will see you later in the hour. >> thank you. >> president obama will be talking about the fiscal cliff with david
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